Composed of a group of U.S. doctors, “America’s Frontline Doctors” held a press conference on COVID-19, hydroxychloroquine, and more outside the Supreme Court of the United States.
Congressman Norman: (00:00)
... I’ll turn it over.
Simone Gold: (00:01)
Thank you. Thank you so much congressmen. So we’re here because we feel
as though the American people have not heard from all the expertise
that’s out there all across our country. We do have some experts
speaking, but there’s lots and lots of experts across the country. So
some of us decided to get together. We’re America’s Frontline Doctors.
We’re here only to help American patients and the American nation heal.
We have a lot of information to share. Americans are riveted and
captured by fear at the moment. We are not held down by the virus as
much as we’re being held down by the spider web of fear. That spiderweb
is all around us and it’s constricting us and it’s draining the
lifeblood of the American people, American society, and American
economy.
Simone Gold: (00:53)
This does not make sense.
COVID-19 is a virus that exists in essentially two phases. There’s the
early phase disease, and there’s the late phase disease. In the early
phase either before you get the virus or early, when you’ve gotten the
virus, if you’ve gotten the virus, there’s treatment. That’s what we’re
here to tell you. We’re going to talk about that this afternoon. You can
find it on America’s Frontline Doctors, there’s many other sites that
are streaming it live on Facebook. But we implore you to hear this
because this message has been silenced. There are many thousands of
physicians who have been silenced for telling the American people the
good news about the situation, that we can manage the virus carefully
and intelligently, but we cannot live with this spider web of fear
that’s constricting our country.
Simone Gold: (01:45)
So we’re
going to hear now from various positions. Some are going to talk to you
about what the lockdown has done to young, to older, to businesses, to
the economy, and how we can get ourselves out of the cycle of fear. Dr.
Hamilton.
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (02:03)
Thank you, Simone. And
thank you all for being here today. I’m Dr. Bob Hamilton. I’m a
pediatrician from Santa Monica, California. I’ve been in private
practice there for 36 years. And today I have good news for you. The
good news is the children as a general rule are taking this virus very,
very well. Few are getting infected. Those who are getting infected are
being hospitalized in low numbers. And fortunately the mortality rate of
children is about one fifth of 1%. So kids are tolerating the infection
very frequently, but are actually asymptomatic.
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (02:38)
I also want to say that children are not the drivers of this pandemic.
People were worried about, initially, if children were going to actually
be the ones to push the infection along. The very opposite is
happening. Kids are tolerating it very well, they’re not passing it on
to their parents, they’re not passing it onto their teachers. Dr. Mark
Woolhouse from Scotland, who is a pediatric infectious disease
specialist and epidemiologist said the following. He said, “There has
not been one documented case of COVID being transferred from a student
to a teacher in the world.” In the world.
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (03:19)
I think that is important that all of us who are here today realize
that our kids are not really the ones who are driving the infection. It
is being driven by older individuals. And yes, we can send the kids back
to school I think without fear. And this is the big issue right now, as
Congressman Norman alluded to, this is the really important thing we
need to do. We need to normalize the lives of our children. How do we do
that? We do that by getting them back in the classroom. And the good
news is they’re not driving this infection at all. Yes, we can use
security measures. Yes, we can be careful. I’m all for that. We all are.
But I think the important thing is we need to not act out of fear. We
need to act out of science. We need to do it. We need to get it done.
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (04:07)
Finally, the barrier, and I hate to say this, but the barrier to
getting our kids back in school is not going to be the science, it’s
going to be the national unions, the teachers union, the National
Education Association, other groups who are going to demand money. And
listen, I think that it’s fine to give people money for PPE and
different things in the classroom. But some of their demands are really
ridiculous. They’re talking about, where I’m from in California, the
UTLA, which is United Teachers Union of Los Angeles, is demanding that
we defund the police. What does that have to do with education? They’re
demanding that they stop or they shut all private charter schools,
privately funded charter schools. These are the schools that are
actually getting the kids educated.
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (04:59)
So clearly there are going to be barriers. The barriers will not be
science. There will not be barriers for the sake of the children. That’s
going to be for the sake of the adults, the teachers, and everybody
else, and for the union. So that’s where we need to focus our efforts
and fight back. So thank you all for being here and let’s get our kids
back in school.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (05:27)
Hello, I’m Dr. Stella Immanuel. I’m a primary care physician in Houston, Texas. I
actually went to medical school in West Africa, Nigeria, where I took
care of malaria patients, treated them with hydroxychloroquine and stuff
like that. So I’m actually used to these medications. I’m here because I
have personally treated over 350 patients with COVID. Patients that
have diabetes, patients that have high blood pressure, patients that
have asthma, old people ... I think my oldest patient is 92 ... 87 year
olds. And the result has been the same. I put them on
hydroxychloroquine, I put them on zinc, I put them on Zithromax, and
they’re all well.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (06:12)
For the past
few months, after taking care of over 350 patients, we’ve not lost one.
Not a diabetic, not a somebody with high blood pressure, not somebody
with asthma, not an old person. We’ve not lost one patient. And on top of
that, I’ve put myself, my staff, and many doctors that I know on
hydroxychloroquine for prevention, because by the very mechanism of
action, it works early and as a prophylaxis. We see patients, 10 to 15
COVID patients, everyday. We give them breathing treatments. We only
wear surgical mask. None of us has gotten sick. It works.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (06:46)
So right now, I came here to Washington DC to say: America, nobody
needs to die. The study that made me start using hydroxychloroquine was a
study that they did under the NIH in 2005
[Vincent MJ, Bergeron E, Benjannet S, et al. “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread,” Virology Journal, 2005;2:69. Published 2005 Aug 22. doi:10.1186/1743-422X-2-69] that say it works. Recently, I
was doing some research about a patient that had hiccups and I found
out that they even did a recent study in the NIH, which is our National
Institute ... that is the National ... NIH, what? National Institute of
Health. They actually had a study and go look it up. Type hiccups and
COVID, you will see it.
[Prince G, Sergel M. “Persistent hiccups as an atypical presenting complaint of COVID-19. American Journal of Emergency Medicine. 2020;38(7):1546.e5-1546.e6. doi:10.1016/j.ajem.2020.04.045]
They treated a patient that had hiccups with
hydroxychloroquine and it proved that hiccups is a symptom of COVID. So
if the NIH knows that treating the patient with hydroxychloroquine
proves that hiccup is a symptom of COVID, then they definitely know the
hydroxychloroquine works.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (07:42)
I’m
upset. Why I’m upset is that I see people that cannot breathe. I see
parents walk in, I see diabetics sit in my office knowing that this is a
death sentence and they can’t breathe. And I hug them and I tell them,
“It’s going to be okay. You’re going to live.” And we treat them and
they leave. None has died. So if some fake science, some person
sponsored by all these fake pharma companies comes out say, “We’ve done
studies and they found out that it doesn’t work.” I can tell you
categorically it’s fake science. I want to know who is sponsoring that
study. I want to know who is behind it. Because there is no way I can
treat 350 patients and counting and nobody is dead and they all did
better.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (08:21)
I know you’re going to
tell me that you treated 20 people, 40 people, and it didn’t work. I’m a
true testament. So I came here to Washington DC to tell America nobody
needs to get sick. This virus has a cure. It is called
hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and Zithromax. I know you people want to talk
about a mask. Hello? You don’t need mask. There is a cure. I know they
don’t want to open schools. No, you don’t need people to be locked down.
There is prevention and there is a cure.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (08:48)
And let me tell you something, all you fake doctors out there that tell
me, “Yeah. I want a double blinded study.” I just tell you, quit
sounding like a computer, double blinded, double blinded. I don’t know
whether your chips are malfunctioning, but I’m a real doctor. I have
radiologists, we have plastic surgeons, we have neurosurgeons, like
Sanjay Gupta saying, “Yeah, it doesn’t work and it causes heart
disease.” Let me ask you Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Hear me. Have you ever seen a
COVID patient? Have you ever treated anybody with hydroxychloroquine
and they died from heart disease? When you do, come and talk to me
because I sit down in my clinic every day and I see these patients walk
in everyday scared to death. I see people driving two, three hours to my
clinic because some ER doctor is scared of the Texas board or they’re
scared of something, and they will not prescribe medication to these
people.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (09:35)
I tell all of you doctors
that are sitting down and watching Americans die. You’re like the good
Nazi ... the good one, the good Germans that watched Jews get killed and
you did not speak up. If they come after me, they threaten me. They’ve
threatened to ... I mean, I’ve gotten all kinds of threats. Or they’re
going to report me to the boss. I say, you know what? I don’t care. I’m
not going to let Americans die. And if this is the hill where I get
nailed on, I will get nailed on it. I don’t care. You can report me to
the boss, you can kill me, you can do whatever, but I’m not going to let
Americans die.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (10:09)
And today I’m
here to say it, that America, there is a cure for COVID. All this
foolishness does not need to happen. There is a cure for COVID. There is
a cure for COVID is called hydroxychloroquine. It’s called zinc. It’s
called Zithromax. And it is time for the grassroots to wake up and say,
“No, we’re not going to take this any longer. We’re not going to die.”
Because let me tell you something, when somebody is dead, they are dead.
They’re not coming back tomorrow to have an argument. They are not come
back tomorrow to discuss the double blinded study and the data. All of
you doctors that are waiting for data, if six months down the line you
actually found out that this data shows that this medication works, how
about your patients that have died? You want a double blinded study
where people are dying? It’s unethical. So guys, we don’t need to die.
There is a cure for COVID.
Simone Gold: (11:02)
My gosh. Dr.
Immanuelle also known as warrior. Before I introduce the next guest, I
just want to say that I wish all doctors that are listening to this
bring that kind of passion to their patients. And the study that Dr.
Immanuel was referring to is in Virology, which talks about a SARS viral
epidemic that affects the lungs that came from China. And they didn’t
know what would work. The study showed that chloroquine would work. It
sounds exactly like it could have been written three months ago, but in
fact, that’s study in Virology, which was published by the NIH, the
National Institute of Health when Dr. Anthony Fauci was the director.
Again, the official publication of the NIH, Virology, 15 years ago
showed that chloroquine ... we use hydroxychloroquine, it’s the same ...
little safer ... works. They proved this 15 years ago when we got this
novel coronavirus, which is not that novel, it’s 78% similar to the
prior-
Simone Gold: (12:03)
... coronavirus, which is not that
novel. It’s 78% similar to the prior version. The COV-1, not
surprisingly. It works. I’m now going to introduce our next speaker.
Sorry. I forgot to say your name. Sorry.
Dr. Dan Erickson: (12:12)
That’s all right. Dr. Dan Erickson, Dr. Gold asked me to talk about the
lockdown, how effective they were and do that cause anything
nonfinancial? They always talk about the financial, but you have to
realize that lockdown, we haven’t taken a $21 trillion economy and
locked it down. So when you lock it down, it causes public health
issues. Our suicide hotlines are up 600%, our spousal abuse. Different
areas of alcoholism are all on the rise. These are public health
problems from a financial lockdown. So we have to be clear on that fact
that there is, it’s not like you just lock it down and have consequences
to people’s jobs. They also have consequences, health consequences at
home. So we’re talking about having a little more of a measured
approach, a consistent approach. If we have another spike coming in cold
and flu season, let’s do something that’s sustainable.
Dr. Dan Erickson: (13:13)
What’s sustainable. Well we can socially distance and wear some masks,
but we can also open the schools and open businesses. So this measured
approach I’m talking about, isn’t made up, it’s going on in Sweden and
their deaths are about 564 per million. UK, full lockdown, 600 deaths
per million. So we’re seeing that the lockdown aren’t decreasing
significantly, the amount of deaths per million. Some of their Nordic
neighbors have less deaths for a variety of reasons, I don’t have time
to go into today. So what, my quick message here in a minute or two is
just that we need to take an approach that’s sustainable. A sustainable
approach is slowing things down, opening up schools, opening up
businesses. And then we can allow the people to have their independence
and their personal responsibility to choose to wear masks and socially
distance, as opposed to putting edicts on them, kind of controlling
them. Let’s empower them with data and let them study what other
countries have done and make their own decision. That’s what I’d like to
share. Thank you.
Speaker 1: (14:28)
Are there any questions?
Simone Gold: (14:29)
Are there any questions?
Speaker 2: (14:32)
You guys, we’re so excited I’m from South Dakota? You might have heard.
Simone Gold: (14:36)
Yes.
Speaker 2: (14:38)
I’m so glad you guys are preaching this message.
Simone Gold: (14:39)
You know, South Dakota did something interesting. It’s interesting that
you’re from there. So the governor did not restrict access to
hydroxychloroquine.
Speaker 2: (14:46)
We know. [crosstalk 00:02:48].
Simone Gold: (14:49)
Right. And you were, I believe you were the only state in the union
that did that. And there’s been studies out there that attempt to show
that it doesn’t work. They’re inaccurate because they’re given at the
time, the wrong dose, the wrong patient either too much or a long time.
So South Dakota did better because it had access to hydroxychloroquine.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: (15:06)
Okay. So if someone we
love does get sick with COVID and you said the word hydro, or however
you say it, it’s restricted. How do we get access to that?
Simone Gold: (15:16)
Yeah. That’s the number one question we’re all asked every day. I want
you to know that you’re not alone. I’ve had many congressmen ask me, how
can I get it? So the congressmen can’t get it, it’s tough luck for the
average American Joe getting it. It’s very difficult. You have to
overcome a few hurdles. Your doctor has to have read the science with a
critical eye and have eliminated the junk science. Many studies have
been retracted as you know, and number two, the pharmacist has to not
restrict it. Many states have empowered their pharmacists to not honor
physician prescription. That’s never happened before. That interferes
with the doctor patient relationship where the patient talks to the
doctor, honestly, and the doctor answers the patient honestly has been
violated.
Simone Gold: (15:55)
So you have a very difficult
time as the average American. Some of the information we’ll share later
this afternoon is to show the mortality rates in countries where it’s
not restricted and the mortality rates where it is restricted. So I have
friends all over the world now because of this. And in Indonesia, you
can just buy it over the counter. It’s in the vitamin section. And I’m
here to tell the American people that you could buy it over the counter
in Iran. Because the leaders in Iran, the mullahs in Iran, think that
they should have more freedom than Americans. I have a problem with
that. My colleagues have problems with that. We don’t like to watch
patients die.
Julie: (16:26)
So when people have problems,
they should be picking up the phone, they should be calling their state
and their federal representatives and senators and say, we are the
American people.
Speaker 1: (16:42)
Let me say one thing [crosstalk 00:16:46].
Julie: (16:45)
You guys, we need the public to be.
Speaker 1: (16:49)
Thank you. Thank you, Julie. That is exactly right. If you hear what
you’re, when you hear this, if you’re concerned and wondering why you
may not be able to get access to it, we need to make four calls, call
your governor, call both of your senators and call your Congressman and
tell them that you want to know why you’re not able to get access to a
drug that doctors are telling you will help end this and help us reduce
the number of hospitalizations and reduce the number of deaths. Urge
them to read Dr. Harvey Rich’s study from Yale. He’s a Yale professor of
epidemiology. And from there you’ll find other studies.
Speaker 4: (17:31)
Yes. I wanted to ask how do people trust the data that they are looking
at every day? The numbers are so variable when you go to Johns Hopkins,
CDC, which divides COVID deaths in different categories related to
pneumonia, other things where we get the right information to make
sense?
Simone Gold: (17:52)
So the only number that I think is
worth paying any attention to, and even that number is not so helpful
is mortality because that’s a hard and fast number. So the case number
is almost irrelevant. And that’s because there’s a lot of inaccuracies
with the testing. And also even if the test is accurate, most people are
asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. So it’s not that important to know.
So the case number, which you see rising all the time in the news is
basically irrelevant. And if you had told us a few months ago, that that
was the number that the media was going to go crazy over, we all would
have just laughed at that. I mean, that’s essentially herd immunity.
There’s lots of people out there who have tested positive without
symptoms or with very mild symptoms. So the only number that’s worth
paying attention to is mortality.
Simone Gold: (18:33)
When
you look at the mortality, this is a disease that takes, that
unfortunately kills our most frail members of society. People with
multiple comorbid conditions, specifically diabetes, obesity is a big
one. We don’t talk about that, but it is. It’s a fact. Coronary artery
disease, severe coronary artery disease, people like that. And also if
you’re older, it’s a risk factor. But the biggest risk factor is if you
have comorbid conditions. If you’re young and healthy, this is not ...
You’re going to recover. If you’re under 60 with no comorbid conditions,
it’s less deadly than influenza. This seems to come as great news to
Americans because this is not what you’re being told. I would say the
answer is it’s very difficult to get accurate numbers.
Speaker 5: (19:13)
This is [inaudible 00:19:13] of Breitbart News, if you had a message to Dr. Anthony Fauci, what would you say to him?
Speaker 1: (19:18)
Listen to the doctors. [inaudible 00:19:21] the frontline doctors. Have
a meeting with the frontline doctors, and maybe I need to say that into
the microphone. My message to Dr. Anthony Fauci is to have a meeting
with these frontline doctors who are seeing real patients. They’re
touching human skin. They’re looking people in the eye, they’re
diagnosing them and they’re helping them beat the virus. They’re the
ones who are talking to the patients, have meetings with them and do it
every single day and find out what they are learning about the virus
firsthand. And this is, and it’s important to understand, we have
doctors here who are not emergency room doctors. They’re preventing
patients from even hitting the emergency room. So if they’re only
listening to emergency room or ICU at the very tragic end of a person’s
life they’re not getting the full story. They need to come back in here
the earlier portion. And they also need to understand what the lockdown
and the fears are doing to patients around this country, because there
are a lot of unintended consequences, which the doctors can speak about.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (20:30)
Can I say something. My message to Dr. Anthony Fauci is when is the
last time you put a stethoscope on a patient? That when you start seeing
patients like we see on a daily basis, you will understand the
frustration that we feel. You need to start feeling for American people
like we, the frontline doctors, feel. I need to start realizing that.
They are listening to you. And if they are going to you, you got to give
them a message of hope. Got to give them a message that goes with what
you already know that hydroxychloroquine works.
Speaker 6: (21:06)
I have a question for Dr. Warrior.
Simone Gold: (21:09)
Dr. Immanuel.
Speaker 6: (21:10)
Dr. Immanuel, okay. You mentioned before some remarkable results that
you’ve had treating your own patients. She said, I believe she said 300
patients.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (21:17)
Yes. Yes.
Speaker 6: (21:19)
Have you been able to publish your findings and results [inaudible 00:00:21:22].
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (21:22)
We’re working on publishing it right now. We’re working on that, but
this is what I’ll say. People like Dr. Samuel [inaudible 00:21:29]
published the data. And my question is, and? That will make you see
patients. There’s no data around the world. Yes. My data will come out.
When that comes out. That’s great. But right now people are dying. So my
data is not important for you to see patients. I’m saying that to my
colleagues out there that talk about data, data, data.
Speaker 6: (21:44)
If I can ask just one more question.
Simone Gold: (21:46)
May I just interject. There is a lot of [crosstalk 00:21:49] data on
this. Not every clinician needs to publish their data to be taken
seriously. The media has not covered it. There is a ton. I’ve got a
compendium on americasfrontlinedoctors.com, there is a compendium of all
the studies that work with hydroxychloroquine. The mortality rate was
published in Detroit, less than a ... It was July 4th weekend. They
published it. Mortality by half in the critically ill patients, the
patients who are get it early, it’s been estimated that one half to
three quarters of those patients, wouldn’t be dead. We’re talking 70,000
to 105 ... 70 to 100,000 patients would still be alive if we followed
this policy. There’s plenty of published data. [crosstalk 00:22:27].
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (22:26)
Even with Dr. Rich. Dr. Rich published data recently. So there’s a lot
of data out there. They don’t need mine to make those decisions.
Speaker 6: (22:34)
If I can ask one more question. There was a little girl who just a few
days ago [inaudible 00:22:37] otherwise healthy and it was concluded
that she died of COVID-19 so I was curious from your perspective, you
feel that this little girl possibly died from some other condition and
it was attributed to COVID-19 or is there some other reason why she
[crosstalk 00:00:22:52].
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (22:52)
I will
not. I will not be able to say that till I look at the little girl’s
history and whatever happened. I know I’ve taken care of a lot of family
members and I see a lot of children and they usually get mild symptoms,
but I cannot talk about kids that I have not looked at.
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (23:07)
What was the age of the child again?
Speaker 6: (23:10)
She was nine years old.
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (23:10)
Okay. So listen, there are children who are dying of this infection.
And the reality is that when they do die, they seem to have
comorbidities. Really, you have to kind of look at each individual case.
Uniquely there have been a little over 30 patients in the entire
country, in the age category of 15 and below who have died of COVID.
Frequently they do have comorbidities like heart disease. They have
asthma, they have other pulmonary issues. So I don’t know, we don’t know
the answer to this nine year old girl, tragically. She passed, and
she’s no longer with us, but there’s probably, if you dig into it,
there’s probably a story behind it.
Speaker 1: (23:48)
Dr.
Hamilton, have you seen any patients who are having adverse side effects
because schools have been closed, who have depression or suicide?
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (23:54)
I mean, I think that it is common knowledge that with the schools not
being open, when you think about what your experience in junior high and
high school-
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (24:03)
... not being open. When
you think about your experience in junior high and high school, what do
you think about? You think about parties and you think about football
games, socializing. Those are the things we think about. Those are all
being shut down, folks. Nobody is having fun anymore. And I will tell
you that these are critical years of life to be out mixing with other
kids, other people, and that has been shut down. So yes, there are lots
of comorbidities that go along with shutting down. We’re talking about
anxiety, we’re talking about depression, loneliness, abuse is happening,
and kids who have particular... Children who have special needs, kids are
not doing well either. So, there is a long list of complications that
occur when you quarantine and lockdown people.
Speaker 7: (24:48)
So an extension to what you were just talking about, we hear all these
studies and all this polling that moms are afraid to go back to work
because of letting their children go to school, they shouldn’t go to
school because then they’re exposed, and if the moms go back to school,
then the elderly grandparents, they’re [crosstalk 00:25:04].
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (25:04)
Right, well, this is the big [crosstalk 00:25:05].
Speaker 7: (25:06)
Can you speak to that please?
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (25:07)
Sure. Yeah, this is a big issue because people are afraid not that
their children are going to get particularly ill, because I think
they’re learning the truth is that this infection is being tolerated
well by children. But certainly, they look at their environment, their
particular unique family, and I think in some situations that may be an
appropriate fear. However, I do think that as a general comment, a
general rule through the country, kids can go back to school. Maybe a
few kids here and there, their living situation, who they’re being cared
for, that can be a potential problem. But again, for younger children
in particular, they’re not the ones passing on the disease to the
adults.
Speaker 7: (25:52)
Wouldn’t the hydroxychloroquine be...
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (25:52)
I’ll talk about that.
Speaker 7: (25:52)
Maybe Dr. Immanuel can speak to that, or somebody else.
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (25:53)
Well hydroxychloroquine, yeah. [crosstalk 00:25:56].
Speaker 7: (25:53)
In terms of as a prophylaxis.
Dr. Bob Hamilton: (25:53)
That can be done. Yes, that can be used. [crosstalk 00:26:06]
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (26:06)
We’re talking about, we can’t open our businesses. We can’t go to
school and parents are scared to get treated. And I personally, have put
over a hundred people on hydroxychloroquine prophylaxis. Doctors,
teachers, people who are health care workers, my staff, me, I see over
15 to 20, sometimes 20, 15, 10 patients a day. I use a surgical mask.
I’ve not been infected. Nobody I know has been infected that’s around
me. So this is the answer to this question. You want to open schools,
everybody get on hydroxychloroquine. That is the prevention for COVID.
One tablet every other week is good enough. And that is what we need to
get across to the American people. There’s prevention and there is cure.
We don’t have to lock down schools. We don’t have to lockdown our
businesses. There’s prevention, and there is cure. So instead of talking
about a mask, instead of talking about lockdowns, instead of talking
about all these things, put our teachers on hydroxychloroquine.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (26:59)
Put those that are high risk on hydroxychloroquine. Those that want it.
If you want to catch COVID, that’s cool, but you should be given the
right to take it and be prevented. So that’s the message. All this stuff
that we’re putting together, it’s not necessary because
hydroxychloroquine has a prevention. Hydroxychloroquine is a prevention
for COVID.
Speaker 8: (27:17)
Earlier I heard you say that...
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (27:18)
Hydroxychloroquine.
Speaker 8: (27:21)
... hydroxychloroquine, that that drug was the cure.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (27:22)
Cure, mm-hm (affirmative).
Speaker 8: (27:25)
But you also said measured with zinc and other things.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (27:27)
Yes.
Speaker 8: (27:27)
And you guys also said that previous doctors have used it, but they’ve
used it in the wrong dosage. So I keep hearing the drug, but then what
is the right dosage. What is the right mixture?
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (27:39)
That you’re going to discuss with your doctor, but let [inaudible 00:03:43] take that.
Speaker 9: (27:45)
Yeah, that’s a great question. Because the whole political situation
has driven the fear towards this drug. So let’s address that. This drug
is super safe. It’s safer than aspirin, Motrin, Tylenol. It’s super
safe. All right. So what the problem is in a lot of those studies, they
did very, very high doses, massive doses all through the country. They
did the remaps study, the solidarity trial. That was the world health
organization trial, and also the recovery trial. They use 2,400
milligrams in the first day. All you need is 200 twice a week for
prophylaxis. They used massive toxic doses. And guess what they found
out? When you use massive toxic doses, you get toxic results. The drug
doesn’t work when you give toxic doses. It’s a very safe drug. It
concentrates in the lungs, 200 to 700 times higher in the lungs.
Speaker 9: (28:38)
It’s an amazing drug because in the bloodstream, you’re not going to
get high levels, but you get massive levels in the lungs. So you’re
going to find yourself, if you prophylax, that as soon as the virus gets
there, it’s going to have a hard time getting through because the
hydroxychloroquine blocks it from getting in. And then once it gets in,
it won’t let the virus actually replicate. Bring in zinc and zinc will
mess up the copy machine called the RDRP. So with the combination of
drugs, it’s incredibly effective in the early disease. By itself, it’s
incredibly effective as a prophylaxis. Does that answer to the question?
Simone Gold: (29:15)
Yeah. I want to emphasize on something that Dr. [inaudible 00:29:20]
just said, because I love the question. This is a treatment regimen
that’s very simple, and it should be in the hands of the American
people. The difficult aspect of this is that at the moment, because of
politics, it’s being blocked from doctors prescribing it, and it’s being
blocked from pharmacists releasing it. They’ve been empowered to
overrule the doctor’s opinion. Why is this not over the counter? As you
can get it in much of the world and almost all of Latin America, in
Iran, in Indonesia, in Subsaharan Africa, you can just go and buy it
yourself. And the dose, my friends is 200 milligrams twice in a week and
zinc daily. That’s the dose. I’m in favor of it being over the counter.
Give it to the people. Give it to the people.
Moderator: (30:06)
We have two more, who can answer this question and they know this information.
Dr. James Todaro: (30:12)
Hi, Dr. James Todaro [inaudible 00:30:13]. I just want to add a couple
of comments to what Dr. Gold was saying. If it seems like there is an
orchestrated attack that’s going on against hydroxychloroquine it’s
because there is. When have you ever heard of a medication generating
this degree of controversy? A 65 year old medication that has been on
the World Health Organization’s safe, essential list of medications for
years. It’s over the counter in many countries. And what we’re seeing is
a lot of misinformation. So I coauthored the first document on
hydroxychloroquine as a potential treatment for coronavirus. This is
back in March and that kind of kicked off a whole series of a storm on
it. And since then, there’s been a tremendous amount of censorship on
doctors like us and what we’re saying. And a number of us have already
been censored. That Google document that I coauthored was actually
pulled down by Google. And this is after now, many studies have shown
that it is effective and it is safe. You still can’t read that article.
And there’s also this misinformation out there. And unfortunately, this
has reached the highest orders of medicine. In May there was an article
published in The Lancet. This is one of the world’s most prestigious
medical journals in the world. The World Health Organization stopped all
their clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine because of this study. And
it was independent researchers like us who care about patients, who care
about the truth that dug into this study and determined that it was
actually fabricated data. The data was not real. And we did this so
convincingly that this study was retracted by The Lancet less than two
weeks after it was published. This is almost unheard of, especially for
study of this magnitude.
Dr. James Todaro: (31:44)
So I
apologize to everyone for the fact that there is so much misinformation
out there, and it’s so hard to find the truth. And unfortunately, it’s
going to take looking at other places for the truth. That’s why we
formed frontline doctors here to try to help get the real information
out there.
Speaker 10: (32:00)
What did you say your name was?
Dr. James Todaro: (32:01)
I’m James Todaro.
Moderator: (32:02)
Give your website.
Dr. James Todaro: (32:05)
Most of my thoughts, I actually publish on Twitter. Twitter has been
great lately. So, James Todaro, M D. T-O-D-A-R-O M-D but I also have a
website medicineuncensored.com, which contains kind of a lot of the
information about hydroxychloroquine I think is much more objective than
what’s going on in other media channels.
Speaker 10: (32:28)
One point, in terms of Twitter. That’s important because as I understand
not only from doctors, but from other people in the media, that YouTube
has blocked information specifically about hydroxychloroquine.
Dr. James Todaro: (32:42)
I’ll go ahead and address that real quickly. I would say Facebook and
YouTube have taken the most draconian measures to silence and censorship
people. And this is coming from the CEO of YouTube, as well as Mark
Zuckerberg saying anything that goes against what the World Health
Organization has said is subject to censorship. And we all know the
World Health Organization has made a number of mistakes during this
pandemic. They have not been perfect by any means. Twitter, although
they have some flaws and faults and flag certain content and stuff, they
really still remain one of the freest platforms to share dialogue,
intelligent discussion regarding this information. And many of us here
today actually connected on social platform mediums like that.
Speaker 11: (33:21)
Could you talk about what you mentioned earlier about the medication and how long it’s been around?
Dr. Joe Ladapo: (33:27)
Sure thing. I’m Dr. Joe. Ladapo. I’m a physician at UCLA and I’m a
clinical researcher also. And I’m speaking for myself and not on behalf
of UCLA. So I want to say that I’m thinking of the people who are behind
the screens that are watching what you guys were broadcasting. And I
want to share with you because there’s so much controversy and the
atmosphere is so full of conflict right now that what this group of
doctors is trying to do fundamentally, is really to bring more light to
this conversation about how we manage COVID-19 and the huge challenge.
And that’s what this is ultimately about. And bringing light to
something means thinking more about trade offs, about one of my
colleagues said on unintended consequences. And I actually think that’s
not even the right word, the right word is unanticipated consequences.
Really thinking about the implications of the decisions we’re making in
this really, really extraordinary time that we’re in.
Dr. Joe Ladapo: (34:45)
So, I’m sure people are listening to some of the discussion about
hydroxychloroquine and wondering, what are these doctors talking about?
And, these are doctors that take care of patients, board certified, med
school, great med schools, all of that. How could they possibly be
saying this? I watch CNN and NBC, and they don’t say anything about
this. And that’s actually, that’s the point. There are issues that are
moral issues, that really there should be a singular voice. So for me,
issues related to whether people are treated differently based on their
sex or race, or their sexual orientation. I personally think those are
moral issues and there’s only one position on those. But COVID-19 is not
a moral issue. COVID-19 is a challenging, complex issue that we benefit
from having multiple perspectives on. So it’s not good for the American
people when everyone is hearing one perspective on the main stations.
There’s no way that’s going to service. So, the perspective most people
have been hearing is that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work. That’s the
perspective that most people have been hearing on the mainstream
television.
Dr. Joe Ladapo: (36:03)
That’s the perspective
that most people have been hearing on the mainstream television, and I
believe that perspective too, until I started talking to doctors who
would look more closely than some of the physicians behind me here, who
would look more closely at the data and at the studies.
Dr. Joe Ladapo: (36:17)
So it is a fact that several randomized trials have come out so far,
that’s our highest level of evidence, and have shown that
hydroxychloroquine... Their findings have generally been that there’s no
significant effect on health benefit. So, that’s a fact, that the
randomized control trials have come out... So far that have come out. In
fact, there were two or three big ones that came out over the last two
weeks, [inaudible 00:36:44] Internal Medicine, New England Journal of
Medicine, and I think one other journal.
Dr. Joe Ladapo: (36:49)
It is also a fact that there have been several observational studies.
These are just not randomized controlled trials, but patients who are
getting treated with this medication that have found that
hydroxychloroquine improves outcomes. So both of those things are true.
There’s evidence against it and there’s evidence for it. It is also a
fact that we are in an extraordinarily challenging time. Given those
considerations, how can the right answer be to limit physician’s use of
the medication? That can’t possibly be the right answer. And when you
consider that this medication before COVID-19 had been used for decades,
by patients with rheumatoid arthritis, by patients with lupus, by
patients with other conditions, by patients who were traveling to West
Africa and needed malaria prophylaxis, we’ve been using it for a long
time, but all of a sudden it’s elevated to this area of looking like
some poisonous drug. That just doesn’t make sense.
Dr. Joe Ladapo: (37:59)
Then when you add onto that the fact that we’ve had two of the biggest
journals in the world, New England Journal of Medicine, and Lancet, as
my colleagues say, retract studies that found, interestingly, that
hydroxychloroquine harmed patients. Both of these studies. They had to
retract these studies, which really is unheard of. That should raise
everyone’s concern about what is going on. At the very least, we can
live in a world where there are differences of opinion about the
effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, but still allow more data to come,
still allow physicians who feel like they have expertise with it use
that medication, and still talk, and learn, and get better at helping
people with COVID-19.
Dr. Joe Ladapo: (38:50)
So why we’re not there is not good. It doesn’t make sense, and we need to get out of there.
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (38:58)
Listen, let me just put a little bit of that. I have seen 350 patients
and counting. Put them on hydroxychloroquine. They all got better. This
is what I would say to all those studies, they had high doses, they were
given to wrong patients. I will call them fake science. Any study that
says hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work, is fake science and I want them to
show me how it doesn’t work. How is it going to work for 350 patients
for me and they’re all alive, and then somebody say it doesn’t work?
Guys, all them studies, fake science.
Simone Gold: (39:30)
What was your question? Thank you.
Speaker 14: (39:31)
Last question.
Simone Gold: (39:31)
Yeah, last question.
Speaker 13: (39:35)
I’ve heard there’s an increase in anxiety, suicidal ideation, substance
abuse, and various mental health issues as a result of school closures
and shutdowns. Is it your recommendation that [inaudible 00:39:48]
federal funding for programs will help deal with those issues?
Simone Gold: (39:54)
Yeah, I don’t understand how you would go to that conclusion. If the
problem was that the schools are shut down, and it’s causing it, then we
need to open up the schools.
Speaker 14: (40:03)
[inaudible 00:40:03] mental healthcare [crosstalk 00:40:05].
Simone Gold: (40:06)
Yeah. I would go to the school. I would open up the schools, because
the most important thing for children is to socialize, and to be with
other kids, and to learn. Yeah. [crosstalk 00:40:14] Yeah. Let’s get
kids back in school.
Speaker 14: (40:17)
You don’t believe that?
Simone Gold: (40:20)
Kids back in school. We’re in favor of kids back in school.
Speaker 15: (40:22)
Thank you everyone. [crosstalk 00:04:24]. Thank you very much. And we
are going to be going back live continuing our summit, so you can
continue watching. Once we get back, we may be running.
Speaker 16: (40:35)
Thank you so much. [inaudible 00:40:45].
Dr. Stella Immanuel: (40:38)
It’s fake science. [crosstalk 00:04:50]. It’s fake science.
Simone Gold: (40:50)
That’s right. I believe you. I believe you. [crosstalk 00:40:52].
Doctor 1: (40:54)
It’s more specialized, so I have to defer.
Speaker 18: (40:55)
You said that depression-
Doctor 1: (40:56)
That depression is caused by low zinc levels. When you go into a
hospital nowadays, they don’t test for those zinc levels. Low zinc
levels are manifested by loss of sense of smell, loss of taste. Why are
these also symptoms of COVID, right? COVID, loss of sense of smell, loss
of taste, right? And the reason is because zinc is the natural thing
that used to fight the COVID. What happens is the zinc stops RNA
polymerase, and the hydroxy chloroquine allows the zinc to go into the
cells.
Speaker 18: (41:33)
I’m wondering-
Doctor 1: (41:33)
To stop the RNA polymerase-
Speaker 18: (41:35)
Because there was a-
Doctor 1: (41:36)
Hang on, hang on.
Speaker 18: (41:36)
It was implied that-
Doctor 1: (41:37)
Let me give you the science behind it. So if your lab is [crosstalk 00:41:41]... I understand.
Speaker 18: (41:43)
Yeah.
Doctor 1: (41:43)
Let me explain it a little bit better. The zinc stops RNA polymerase,
and it’s used up by your cells in the normal fighting of COVID. So if
you never took hydroxychloroquine, you’d still be zinc depleted. We’re
in a natural state of zinc depletion in the United States, but the COVID
decreases your zinc even more, and you need it to fight off any virus.
That’s why your mom always said, “Take your zinc,” right?
Speaker 18: (42:04)
Is the problem with children on psych units that they have low zinc levels?
Doctor 1: (42:11)
No, no, no. We’re talking about the COVID and how that... [inaudible 00:06:13].
Speaker 18: (42:15)
Okay. My question was about if federal funds should be diverted to
helping therapists, social workers and other frontline workers to deal
with the psychological issues that were mentioned by your colleague,
that shut downs in the government and school closures cause an increase
in suicidal ideation, and substance abuse, and anxiety. So those
environmental factors are what caused those mental health issues.
Doesn’t it stand to reason that then funds to help those institutions
deal with the problem should be receiving more funding?
Doctor 1: (42:47)
I’m going to defer to my psychiatrist colleague.
Speaker 18: (42:50)
He didn’t hear me ask the question. [crosstalk 00:42:51].
Doctor 1: (42:51)
First, we need to take care of the biological basis, which is the zinc,
which is the vitamin D, lack of vitamin D. We’re dumping our milk.
Speaker 18: (43:03)
Yeah, I don’t know about that.
Doctor 1: (43:04)
We’re dumping our milk [crosstalk 00:07:05]. We’re dumping our milk in the manure pits right now. If we would get together-
Doctor 2: (43:09)
Yeah, that’s hard to believe.
Doctor 1: (43:10)
If we would get that to the kids out of school, that will be very helpful.
Speaker 18: (43:14)
Okay.
Doctor 1: (43:14)
So I’ll defer to my colleague.
Speaker 18: (43:17)
So my question, I still haven’t gotten a clear answer on it-
Doctor 2: (43:19)
I’ll try to answer. Public policy is not my expertise, but I can try.
Speaker 18: (43:23)
Oh no, it’s not really about... It’s not my expertise either, actually.
But I was wondering since your colleague said that as a result of school
closures and government shutdowns, which caused an increase in suicidal
ideation, anxiety, substance abuse, and a variety of other issues, I’m
wondering if federal funding should be diverted to frontline workers,
social workers, mental health therapists?
Doctor 2: (43:45)
The answer your question is this, I see it this way, harm has already
come is what we’re saying. So the answer to the question is, harm has
already come. What should we do about that harm? I don’t know the inner
workings of the government, but to say that harm has already come, and
to say that we’re going to do something about it, it makes sense. To me
as a doctor, I think if we know harm is coming, if you and I know we
already got run over by a car, I think it makes sense to let me go ahead
and go to the hospital to get my-
Speaker 18: (44:10)
There’s a real lack of funding for people in my profession to be able to help those kids and those adults.
Doctor 2: (44:12)
Yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense. So I’m going to just say, to me, it makes sense, and I think it’s fair.
Speaker 18: (44:20)
I appreciate the well-rounded concern. It just kind of stops with
concern and it doesn’t continue into action. Congress might not, I’m not
sure who he was, maybe you could actually give [crosstalk 00:08:31].