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PERSPECTIVES ON THE PANDEMIC
EPISODE #11
JUDY MIKOVITS & ROBERT KENNEDY JR. (Part 2 of 3)

Perspectives on the Pandemic interviewed Dr. Judy Mikovits on April 16th, 2020, and again on May 15th. In her second interview, she was joined by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. We have divided the two conversations into three parts, the first two focusing on Dr. Mikovits, and the third on Mr. Kennedy. This is part two.

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tell me what's your impression
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behind the original story of covid19
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that this came out of a wet market
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and or what they're starting to say now
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about uh the wuhan lab they're bringing
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that back out
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yeah well that that's a pretty simple
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question to answer because
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xenotransplantation is really
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accelerated zoonosis
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because viruses and pathogens jump
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species
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you know all the time in nature but it
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usually takes
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millions of years so when they say
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this is a natural zoanosis from
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a seafood market a person doesn't cook
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the food or whatever it is
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gets infected and then transmits it to
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someone
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else that doesn't happen for maybe 800
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years
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because bat viruses need an intermediate
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host they need a gain of function
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you won't go straight from the bat to
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the human
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because you'll kill the human and then
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as we discussed earlier you the
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the virus can't afford to kill its host
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it has to live with it it has to hide
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there
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and and make more reservoirs so the
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zoanosis that
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occurred um with covid19
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that gain of function where it looks
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like
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it comes from the family of sars severe
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acute respiratory syndrome
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slash cove ii this is another virus
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in that family that is somehow emerged
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to acquire the ability to infect human
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cells
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um and essentially um
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the the only way that happens in a
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decade
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and not in 30 40 100 years
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for that event to happen again is by way
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of the laboratory which is of course
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right there so i don't use the term
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engineered because that's a different
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term when you're a molecular virologist
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and you're making
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chimeras you're intentionally putting a
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different
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cap on a d on the on the nucleic acid of
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a different virus and i don't think
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that's what happened at all
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but anytime you take the animal
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into a laboratory and take the virus out
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of it
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and grow it in other cell lines
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then that changes it so you accelerated
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the viral evolution the zoanosis
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way way way rapidly and and then you
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it how did it get to 190
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um countries in in in what's said to be
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a month or two which doesn't fit the
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biology of the situation
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um when when it came from one woman and
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and most people didn't come in contact
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with that market
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or many that were in so-called ground
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zero
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um the laboratories are the end
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and that manipulation and growing these
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cell lines which by the way we ship
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around the world
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and and in that study talking about the
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emergence
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of sars cove to how it emerged how it
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came
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out into people the the funding was done
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by the niaid and in the material and
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methods of that scientific paper
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you'll see that they grew the virus they
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they replicated the virus made large
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stocks of
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viruses in in vero the monkey
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e6 cells so monkeys are close to humans
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so you've acquired another ability and
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if you want to think about the hiv
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sequences that are
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in the um the new sars
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cove to that gives it expanding ability
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not just to affect
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the epithelial cells and and things but
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to infect
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white blood cells because gp4 g the the
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glycoproteins from hiv
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are going to stick like velcro to white
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blood cells
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and now you can start seeing covid19 the
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disease
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looks like a retroviral disease because
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you've you've given it
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access you've given it the ability to
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infect white blood cells which
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coronaviruses do don't do
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and and this is why it almost has to be
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a lab emerge diagnosis and i
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i defunded the collaboration between the
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university of north carolina
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and um the wuhan laboratory and they got
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the cells um the cell line
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vero e6 from fort dietrich
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from usamrid from their bio safety level
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four
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facility and entry and that it so it
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went back and forth
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from the u.s north carolina the u.s fort
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detrick and
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and and wuhan biosafety level 4 facility
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and what most people won't remember but
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we do because our colleagues still work
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there is that the usamrid biosafety
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level 4
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facility was shut down for safety
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concerns
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in late 2018 or early 2019
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and there were safety concerns at the wu
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hand facility as well
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so the chance that these things could
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get in the water
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in the feed in the food supply um it's
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it's
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it's not imagination there's a very real
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possibility that happened
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so what what i show you is my laboratory
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at and the eight ball the bio weapons
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laboratory
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which is right here at fort detrick
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here's my laboratory on the top
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our bio safety level three facility is
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right above that staircase
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and right back behind it is what we call
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the eight ball that's where they used to
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gas
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animals and do other kinds of bio
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weapons thing
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and and the um usamrid is literally
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right across the field from this
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location
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and so um my friend mike hugo and it's a
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story in the book
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actually did a large environmental law
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case
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because some of the families outside
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fort dietrich with the water supply with
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the soil contamination
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from fort detrick had as many as 22
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different kinds of cancer you know
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breast cancers are uh in in a single
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family
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so he had done an environmental law and
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of course it was all dismissed
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and this was only three or four years
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ago could you just
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briefly describe the gain of function
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work that you were doing at fort detrick
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on ebola
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in science they attack you for saying
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that you know you were making ebola more
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deadly or more infectious but really
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what
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it seems to me the idea of the studies
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you were doing
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was so that you could then be able to
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study the best ways of protecting
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against it is that correct
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is that why you were doing gain of
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function i did two studies it was a
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collaboration between the national
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cancer institute and the us
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you sammered us army research institute
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of infectious disease
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so what we were doing with ebola then um
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the this simple thing is if you can't
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grow a virus you can't study it
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viruses don't you know they they they
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have to grow
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in cell lines so that so what my first
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job was
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was to um find a cell line
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that that the the the ebola zy ear
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strain which was a
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highly pathogenic strain find a cell
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line
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that it would grow in without killing
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um and and i develop cell lines you know
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for 40 years now and understand how
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viruses grow and those immune mechanisms
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we've talked about
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so among those that i chose was the vero
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monkey the vero e6 cells why because
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because we grew it has no type 1
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interfere
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on pathway and and so it's a virus
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factory for rna viruses because the
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front line of
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silencing the virus stopping expression
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is that
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so yes i was growing those t finding a
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cell line i say teaching it to growth to
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to infect a cell without killing it
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because if it kills
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the cell you can't study those
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mechanisms and i knew those
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immune mechanisms because that's been my
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entire life's work
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the second thing i did in those projects
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and this was published in a
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a book a separate edition of the journal
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nature in 1999 and i believe
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i provided you with that publication of
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the
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short abstract of our studies for a
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meeting um
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was my job was to see what is the
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difference
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between the ebola zaire strain and the
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ebola
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restin strain which was non-pathogenic
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against that
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highly pathogenic strain so i infected
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primary human monocyte that's your
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frontline defense that was my
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award-winning phd thesis research in
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1991
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just five or six years earlier so when
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you infect those monocytes
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and it becomes latent and then you
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activate expression
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what you get is so we would infect
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primary human
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monocytes with the pathogenic strain and
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with the non-pathogenic strain
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and ask what the cytokine storm is
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what's the
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difference in signaling an immune
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response
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that makes a strain highly pathogenic
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versus non-pathogenic
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and that happened to be the first time
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probably that we'd ever used we probably
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didn't use the word cytokine storm
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what we used is cytokine signature of
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disease which is exactly what i did
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when i isolated from the patients in
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2000
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in 2009 infectious
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xmrv i didn't look at everyone with that
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with
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chronic fatigue syndrome or healthy
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people i looked at people who had
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cytokine immune abnormalities the
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inability to
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control the virus and and what the
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signature of disease was
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which we also published bobby just
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mentioned
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the surfer on the beach and you know one
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of the things that uh the journal
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science has recently attacked you on is
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this
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uh where you talked about you know how
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crazy it is to close the beach you've
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got
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and as i'm quoting you back you said
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you've got sequences in the
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soil in the sand you've got healing
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microbes in the ocean and the salt water
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and you said you know it's insanity to
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bar people from that and
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and they say it's not clear what
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mykovits means by sand or soil sequence
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there is no evidence that microbes in
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the ocean can heal
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covid19 patients so how would you
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respond to that
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criticism of theirs i didn't say that
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microbes in the ocean or the sand
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um could heal covid19 patients but
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microbes in the soil and the sam boost
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your immunity through your natural
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ki skin responses along with the sun and
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the vitamin d
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and exercise which is also immune
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boosting so
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this is our natural way of developing
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a healthy immune system and when you're
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sanitized and kept away from those
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boosting things and
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in often cases and most of what we're
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seeing right now there is
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uh you know toxic cleaners that's all
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we're breathing in our homes
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so we're not getting sanitized we're
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being exposed to
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um and and we're not get we're not
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getting exposed to the natural
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environment that's what your immune
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system does what's the difference
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between self and non-cells
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many many many microbial sequences in
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in the soil in the sand in the ocean
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um plants with natural healing
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properties
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that are absorbed through the water
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through the skin
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the skin is its own immune system that's
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really all of it
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so yeah let's let's just twist this
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exactly as a microbial sequence just in
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a nutshell uh all of the um little
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sea creatures the little crabs along the
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soil they all have dna
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they all have there's microbes in that
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microbes plants have infections plant
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you know sand
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in the sand there's natural
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antimicrobials that's what
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you know plants are used for and i
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develop drugs from so
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so you're not boosting your immune
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system with the microbial
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natural sequences natural products that
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are in the sea in the soil it's
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so by by sequences you mean like
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genetics dna sequences yeah dna from
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other
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of other plants um little creatures
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everything
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this is what i did for a living first in
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fermentation chemistry
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that program harvested around the world
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plants and soil samples
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looking for antimicrobials um because
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those that for equilibrium in nature you
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have microbials and you have natural
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antimicrobials
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so being in the sand with the sequins
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sequences mushrooms everything that's
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in um uh you know on the beach and in
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the oceans
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half of what of what we did in isolated
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is
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anti-cancer drugs came from the ocean so
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we
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if we if we can't get in the oceans we
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don't have the immune boosting
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and we're not doing natural immunity in
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a natural way
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what's the name of your new book and why
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did you write it
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our new book is called plague of
13:58
corruption it published
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yesterday and the subtitle is
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restoring faith in the promise of
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science
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right now in our world we have
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propaganda
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masquerading is science so this is the
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only mask i will
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wear it's uh from new orleans
14:19
um and and so but now the public is wary
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of what scientists tell them
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and and we could we we we wrote it
14:28
because
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it it literally makes it looks like
14:31
prophecy
14:32
we predicted this very event and we
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started writing about it
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four years ago we should have stopped
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everything october 8th or probably even
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july
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22nd 2009
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the invitation only meeting the oh my
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god
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look what what happened let's protect
14:51
everybody
14:52
no what did they do they covered it up
14:54
they didn't make bio safety level three
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facilities and in fact they published
14:59
over the next seven or eight years
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in science the journals the journals are
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part of the propaganda problem
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they published oh unintended spread
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release of a biosafety level 2 organism
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no no no the unintended release
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of xmrv was a contagious
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cancer-causing virus from mice to the
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world
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we send those cell lines everywhere so
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that's why we wrote the book because
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that the the only thing we can do is
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show the world
15:29
that that this isn't what you think it
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is we're not being told by our
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top members of the public health service
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who
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who make a lot of money um and and
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trillions of dollars
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of taxpayer at taxpayers expense and and
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and the taxpayers get none of the
15:46
benefits um and and
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they're actually killing them redfield
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berks fauci
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they were all in the the kind of the
15:58
early aids
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st work and they all first of all
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i don't know if you're aware of this but
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a few of them
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um the current head of hhs who's a a
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lawyer
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uh not a doctor or a scientist and then
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of course redfield head of cdc
16:15
burke's head of the plan she they
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they're not only from that early aids
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period but they're involved in
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very kind of right-wing fundamentalist
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christian groups and they have
16:27
recommended for instance
16:30
that uh you know the groups that
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redfield's been associated with
16:33
feel like aids is god's revenge on the
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gays
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and uh you know there are very strange
16:40
associations
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with these guys and they seem to all be
16:44
in a
16:44
self-replicating you know in a gang
16:46
that's very self-supporting
16:48
mutually supportive so i mean what what
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are your thoughts on
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you know just that that unit that has
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stayed together for so many years from
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the aids days and is still involved in
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aids
16:59
berks redfield fauci how does that all
17:03
work in the world of science and
17:05
they all seem to be very connected to
17:06
the pharmaceutical industry
17:08
how does that work well they're they you
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know they
17:11
they're you know they should be
17:12
convicted felons
17:14
for criminal fraud in these various
17:17
papers and publications for four
17:19
decades for for spreading hiv
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and killing an entire continent in an
17:24
entire population
17:26
um how did they do that well because
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they get all the funding and they get
17:30
all the publications and people like me
17:33
go away
17:34
so they they just they suicide us
17:36
there's an entire chapter in our book
17:39
on on scientists and doctors who are
17:42
killed who come up against them
17:44
um and and um so they do that because
17:48
they have the control they have the
17:49
power they have the money
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if you don't publish in these journals
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um you don't
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continue your career um as as i
17:57
mentioned
17:58
i'm i i all my funding my my career
18:02
is like it never existed now as you know
18:05
as we testify in vaccine
18:07
court you know for the injured from
18:09
vaccines
18:10
you know you've got the doj um you know
18:14
the department of justice
18:16
there victimizing the victims even
18:19
further
18:19
and and so a lot of what's in our book
18:21
tells you how they do that
18:23
and so that's why they need to go away
18:26
and literally be convicted
18:28
of these four decades of crimes against
18:31
humanities because
18:33
this this is genocide this is a
18:35
holocaust
18:36
and you know and uh they they censor
18:40
our data they jail us they kill us they
18:42
do anything they can
18:44
you know to stop this from getting out
18:46
but maybe they just
18:48
you know and and what they say is you
18:50
know if anybody thinks about it
18:52
really why does everybody what public
18:56
health measure could it possibly serve
18:59
to take people off a beach or out of the
19:02
ocean when they're bodyboarding alone
19:05
that has nothing to do with public
19:07
health it has to do with control
19:09
and fear and and that we give up more of
19:12
our rights as
19:13
as as ronald reagan signed away our
19:16
religious freedoms and our rights
19:18
with the liability on all the vaccines
19:20
they're
19:21
liability free that's why they do it
19:24
it's a lot of money
19:26
can you just just briefly to what is
19:28
vica
19:29
oh the vaccine injury compensation act
19:32
or
19:32
vica is a is a
19:36
federal law that ronald reagan signed in
19:39
1986
19:41
to remove all liabilities from
19:45
manufacturers of vaccines and again tony
19:48
fauci was standing right next to him
19:50
saying
19:50
we won't protect you from the next
19:52
pandemic if you don't sign this
19:55
ronald reagan at the time said it's
19:58
unconstitutional
20:00
and hoped the bill would change in a
20:02
good way
20:03
that that act removed liability so you
20:06
can't sue manufacturers
20:08
hhs and the doj
20:11
so if i'm bringing a case because my
20:14
child or my
20:15
you know parents died from a flu vaccine
20:19
then you there's no discovery you go to
20:22
this
20:22
sham court i call it a kangaroo court
20:25
because
20:25
there's no discovery nobody's at fault
20:28
and and um
20:30
and you simply um you know they say oh
20:32
the vaccine can never do
20:34
that vaccines are presumed innocent
20:37
at all costs including literally
20:40
destroying these families and yet that
20:42
program
20:43
in in the last um 30 years has paid out
20:47
more than
20:47
4 billion dollars probably closer to 5
20:50
billion
20:51
even though these special masters not
20:54
even really judges
20:56
really skew it and and make certain none
20:59
of these cases see the light of day
21:02
and and literally commit fraud in the
21:04
case of the
21:05
autism um big collective group it's
21:08
called ombudsman
21:09
thousands of cases got together and
21:12
literally when
21:13
when it was shown in one of the test
21:16
cases
21:16
that vaccines could did by all the
21:19
opinions of the experts
21:21
caused that child's autism um
21:25
that the the government paid her paid
21:27
them off big
21:28
silenced everybody confidentiality sign
21:31
this piece of paper never say
21:33
anything again and then they they
21:35
proceeded to
21:36
throw every case that ever used the word
21:39
autism
21:40
and now encephaloplitus or
21:42
encephalopathy
21:44
brain inflammation tony fauci lied to
21:46
congress
21:47
february 27 2019
21:51
and and sat there and said the mmr
21:54
vaccine doesn't cause
21:56
encephalitis and in fact it does and
21:58
it's on the
21:59
package insert from the manufacturer how
22:02
safe and effective is the
22:03
measles vaccine the mmr vaccine
22:08
and how would you compare it to other
22:09
vaccines well
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let's talk about efficacy first it is
22:15
clearly one of if not the most effective
22:18
vaccine that we have it's uh as as dr
22:21
messonja said we really
22:22
can't get much better than that that's
22:24
the reason why we don't want to tinker
22:26
with its efficacy 97
22:28
is really really good and as both of us
22:30
have said many times
22:31
it is a very safe vaccine over millions
22:34
and millions and millions of doses
22:36
that have been given it is a very very
22:38
safe vaccine
22:40
in my opinion it's not a coincidence
22:44
that in 2011 there was a case called
22:47
bruce witz
22:48
and it's it's discussed in our book
22:49
plague of corruption
22:51
which basically removed everybody from
22:54
liability
22:55
the drugstore clerk anybody um you know
22:58
associated pediatricians
23:00
you know any liability at all from
23:02
injury um
23:03
and of course pediatricians make a lot
23:05
of money
23:06
from from vaccines they're paid very
23:09
well
23:10
with their vaccine program so they will
23:13
ruin your career in your life if you say
23:15
a word
23:16
we have kids that got seizure disorders
23:19
develop seizure disorders
23:20
from vaccines and now here in california
23:23
their doctor had written
23:24
you no more vaccines they're they're
23:26
susceptible to injury
23:28
and the public health of california
23:30
overrules that now
23:31
and in order for these kids to go to
23:33
school they have to get
23:35
vaccinated and and the next shot could
23:37
kill them
23:42
when we had replicated um luke
23:45
montagne's work and our paper was in
23:48
press
23:49
tony fauci called me on the phone while
23:51
dr recetti was out of town
23:54
and told me to give him and dr gallo
23:57
dr robert gallo a copy of our paper
24:01
which was confidential in press um
24:04
basically so that they could copy the
24:06
work they delayed the publication of our
24:08
paper
24:08
and gallo came out with a paper of his
24:11
own
24:12
um and and of course this created a huge
24:15
problem because many got infected while
24:18
two countries literally fought over
24:20
who um discovered the virus um and
24:23
and this was the debacle in the 80s that
24:25
ronald reagan
24:26
presided over so um tony pouchy
24:29
um uh was he was tony felchi was not
24:33
well loved by
24:34
aids activists in in my understanding is
24:36
that right
24:38
yeah not at all and and and and um
24:41
you know and not well loved by any of us
24:43
in the work
24:44
because um you know it appeared that for
24:48
monetary gains you know he's got patents
24:51
on
24:51
on interleukin 2 which dr frank rossetti
24:55
discovered why does he have patents on
24:57
interleukin-2 therapy
24:59
so for almost a decade that because he
25:02
had those patents
25:03
the drugs that were made in the studies
25:06
that were funded
25:07
were to target the t cell
25:10
and and and again it wasn't until my
25:13
work in 1991
25:15
kind of exploded it our work dr rossetti
25:18
and martine
25:19
um because frankfurt said he was my phd
25:21
mentor
25:22
you know that that it was clear um
25:25
that this was the wrong thing so how
25:27
many people
25:28
died because tony fauci steered
25:32
everybody to where
25:34
um he had a monetary gain in
25:37
in that situation i think we can see
25:40
that
25:41
right now playing out in this you know
25:44
we
25:44
know that alpha interferon um
25:47
is is not only curative but can prevent
25:51
the next round so we're hearing about oh
25:54
well
25:55
um it's going to come back in a year and
25:57
until we have a vaccine
25:59
um it it you know everybody locks down
26:02
well the the
26:03
the things that should have been done to
26:04
mitigate the infection
26:06
was alpha interferon and and the
26:10
hydroxychloroquine
26:11
right away to all the vulnerable do the
26:14
right
26:14
tests the serology test to ask how long
26:18
that virus has been there and do we have
26:21
a large population of people who will
26:23
never get sick from the virus
26:25
and have in fact neutralizing antibodies
26:27
which would be
26:28
a vaccine as we grow those up and give
26:31
those to
26:32
the susceptible which is what is was
26:35
done
26:35
um you know in the past we've never made
26:39
a sex successful vaccine
26:41
despite trillions of dollars in hiv
26:45
in hiv to hiv and in 20 years
26:48
not not to sars or mers and cr in fact
26:51
they accelerate the disease
26:53
and and kill more rapidly and there are
26:56
several publications
26:57
on on all of that could you speak about
27:00
um
27:01
there i i'm aware of those uh study you
27:04
know the studies that were attempted
27:05
even very
27:06
pro vaccine schedule doctors like
27:09
often others have been very concerned
27:12
about
27:13
the possible you know rushing a sars
27:16
vaccine uh because of those studies but
27:19
can you speak to a government study that
27:22
uh suggested that those who had received
27:25
the influenza vaccine were more
27:28
susceptible to non-influenza
27:30
pathogens like coronaviruses
27:34
um absolutely so um that study there
27:37
were
27:38
three studies that that i came across
27:40
with different kinds of
27:42
influenza vaccines but what it basically
27:45
says
27:45
is that there's a term called viral
27:48
interference that giving an in giving a
27:51
flu vaccine
27:53
um would give you sort of a
27:56
broad paint brush protection for other
27:59
kinds of
28:00
upper respiratory rna infections like
28:03
coronaviruses
28:04
but the study that came out from that
28:06
was done in 2018 and 19
28:09
in in military who had received the
28:11
vaccines
28:12
said that those people were 36 percent
28:15
more likely to get sars and and
28:18
and more disease from it and with other
28:22
vaccines there were three other vaccines
28:24
that showed
28:25
um the influenza different comp
28:27
formulations
28:28
could enhance the pathogenesis even more
28:30
make people sicker
28:32
if they got that vaccine and and so my
28:35
frustration is that's what
28:37
tony fauci came out and what is still
28:39
being said
28:40
by the cdc get the flu vaccine because
28:43
it'll offer you
28:44
protection when they absolutely know the
28:46
opposite will happen
28:48
if you look up snopes or on wikipedia
28:52
or on uh you know there's a chicago
28:55
tribune story
28:56
there there's essentially uh what looks
28:58
like
28:59
hit pieces they're very negative
29:01
articles about you
29:03
and and you know and so could you just
29:05
address
29:06
what what how wikipedia describes your
29:09
case or snopes
29:10
or any of those kinds of organizations
29:12
uh
29:13
yeah i mean there there's nothing that
29:17
they say about
29:18
what i supposedly did um that's true
29:22
um they say you know i like i was fired
29:26
on september 29th um and and i was fired
29:30
for insolence and
29:31
insubordination but what wikipedia said
29:34
was i was fired because i didn't give a
29:37
reagent
29:38
that was accidentally shipped to my lab
29:41
well that reagent was purposely
29:45
shifted to my lab and and it was
29:47
intended use
29:48
was to misappropriate federal funds and
29:51
and
29:51
of our grants and cover up what happened
29:54
as the government carried out their
29:56
threat if i gave that talk on september
29:59
26
30:00
you know my grants will be removed you
30:03
know they didn't say it that way
30:05
but that you know i i was threatened and
30:07
it's clear i wrote the exact email in
30:09
the book that i said to them
30:11
um which was actually quite funny i must
30:13
have been angry
30:14
but at any rate um and basically they
30:18
just carried out their threats and they
30:19
watergate style broke into my lab
30:22
took all the key data which is who is
30:24
infected what did the strains look like
30:26
where where were the locations
30:28
so they could cover up the clusters and
30:31
and just you know
30:32
false arrest no warrant no nothing but
30:35
that's not what wikipedia says
30:37
and the chicago tribune when we got
30:39
close
30:40
our family studies in 2010 which we
30:44
gave at that um nih workshop september
30:47
6th and 7th
30:48
2010 it was clear in families
30:51
where people had cfs or other cancers
30:55
associated with the xmrvs
30:58
those families had kids that were
31:01
susceptible
31:02
to getting autism from vaccines wake up
31:06
this dormant and it spread the
31:08
reservoirs of xmrv's through the
31:10
families
31:11
and and that was what the data
31:12
absolutely said
31:14
and then the the whittimores whose
31:16
daughter
31:17
was cured with the very simple drugs
31:20
that i mentioned
31:21
and by you know what clearly we isolated
31:24
the virus from their very sick daughter
31:27
you know i'm sure although i don't know
31:29
you know they
31:30
they threatened you know harvey
31:32
whittimore had committed
31:34
um and was actually is actually now a
31:36
convicted felon
31:37
for a campaign fraud um uh with
31:41
with harry reid who was then that the
31:44
the
31:44
senate majority leader is over health
31:46
and human services
31:48
so they simply who who is whittemore um
31:50
harvey
31:52
he was the he's the owner of the uh my
31:54
boss he
31:55
he's the founder and funder of the
31:58
whitamore peterson institute that
32:00
institute
32:01
that that we literally formed in 2006.
32:05
so so my boss who we he
32:08
you know he should have held the patent
32:11
along with me and frank rossetti for the
32:13
diagnostics
32:14
think about these pcr tests well he
32:16
decided to use federal funds
32:19
to to manufacture tests that weren't
32:21
validated
32:22
and and charge medicare for them which
32:25
of course is fraud
32:26
in his own private company um and and of
32:29
course so it's you know who goes to jail
32:31
you make mike of its in the data go away
32:34
because she just gave the talk that said
32:36
the the viruses are real and and and
32:38
proved that
32:39
the the molecular mechanisms behind it
32:42
so they just
32:43
systematically between ian lipkin
32:46
the whitamores and you can follow all of
32:49
that
32:49
in the journal science even years later
32:52
23 articles john cohen wrote
32:56
um to you know to basically beleaguered
32:59
you know
33:00
in a rare move authors forced to retract
33:04
you know a false positive december 2011
33:08
they published
33:09
a mug shot they show max post
33:13
my student who um they also um
33:17
threatened with his life they show him
33:19
pointing to my
33:20
notebook this is supposedly a mug shot
33:23
run in the journal science
33:24
this isn't a mug shot you know that's
33:27
that there you can't take a mug shot
33:29
if there is no crime never a day in
33:31
court
33:32
never anything we had a case that you
33:35
never
33:35
charged were you never charged with
33:37
anything never charged
33:39
never a day in court forced into
33:41
bankruptcy
33:43
had a had a case for you know
33:45
racketeering and conspiracy they call it
33:47
key tam for wrongful termination and and
33:50
this destruction
33:52
of my career and my reputation against
33:55
the whitmore's
33:56
against everybody at the university who
33:58
keeps the funding
34:00
so you can always follow it back to tony
34:02
fauci
34:03
beleaguered institute keeps funding
34:06
keeps grants
34:07
to this day they get paid and they
34:09
publish
34:10
fraud they publish this was this was
34:12
great funding that you
34:14
and your partner secured for the
34:16
institute i was the principal
34:18
investigator
34:18
i secured for the institute more than
34:21
five
34:22
million dollars in the in the four and a
34:24
half years i was there
34:26
and from a major um diagnostic company
34:30
a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a
34:32
month almost
34:34
two million dollars to develop the blood
34:36
test
34:37
based on what was in our original paper
34:40
well the whittimores didn't have a
34:41
contract with me
34:43
because i shine a shake hand agreement
34:46
uh you know um that when they when they
34:49
asked me to come to the institute
34:51
um and i had another job offer to make
34:54
biological therapies in cancer in san
34:56
francisco
34:57
um they said what do you want and i said
35:00
i want a five-year guaranteed contract
35:03
because it's going to take me a while to
35:04
put this together and bring the right
35:06
people in
35:06
to then build we had to literally build
35:09
the buildings
35:09
build the collaborations do it quickly
35:12
for everything i'd done in the
35:13
biological response modifiers and a
35:15
signing bonus so i didn't have to sell
35:17
my house in california
35:18
but wait a second judy just tell me
35:20
where the majority of that funding why
35:22
is fauci involved
35:23
the majority of the founded funding was
35:26
a grant from the nia
35:28
id tony fauci they kept the grants
35:32
that's another rare move never does a
35:34
principal investigator
35:36
lose their grants especially when the
35:39
institute they work for
35:40
and it doesn't have a qualified
35:43
principal investigator
35:44
and the institute itself was found to be
35:47
misappropriating federal funds
35:50
so they're not charged they keep the
35:52
money in perpetuity to this day
35:54
millions of dollars to the people they
35:57
they
35:58
they were paid off um to to keep it
36:01
quiet
36:02
and fauci did fouch did you ever have
36:04
any direct interaction with fauci over
36:06
this
36:08
oh absolutely that was the the
36:10
replication study
36:11
so that that was funded and and i was
36:14
not allowed
36:15
on nih property to do the study
36:20
i'm sorry so did you just make that just
36:22
briefly more clear for me
36:24
so so tony when when in 2012 after i was
36:28
fired
36:28
you know i should have taken my grants
36:31
to
36:32
say uc santa barbara where i am right
36:34
now i think any institution in his bad
36:36
funding was in 2011 would have loved
36:40
five million dollars in indirect costs
36:42
which is
36:43
you know five million dollars to them a
36:45
hundred percent is usually indirect
36:47
costs for the institution
36:49
to turn on the lights and supply
36:51
everything that you don't use in the
36:52
grant
36:53
i like like consumables so he you know
36:56
so that money um you know i would have
36:59
if the replication study had had been
37:02
true right and true um and we had proven
37:06
there was
37:07
xmrv in in cfs patients and
37:10
satisfied that association which we
37:13
would have done
37:14
if fauci had not stopped the study when
37:17
we got to the only positive group
37:19
and when fauci forbade me from going
37:22
into lab
37:23
i did that replication study i did
37:26
virology by
37:27
phone i was not allowed in an
37:30
nih funded lab and haven't been
37:34
since that day but you when you call it
37:36
a replication study you were
37:38
that means you were trying to replicate
37:39
the results from your first study
37:41
correct is that the idea
37:42
correct and yeah and were you able to
37:44
actually do that
37:46
um by phone we would have
37:49
but tony fauci stopped the study when we
37:52
found it positive
37:53
he said i'm tired of wasting money
37:55
literally we'd gotten another year and
37:57
all the way through it
37:59
and he stopped the study and applied a
38:01
statistical
38:02
program and that's all in our first book
38:05
plague
38:06
and it details in fact ian lipkin
38:09
himself
38:10
who was you know paid by fouchy um you
38:13
know
38:14
tens of millions of dollars for these
38:16
grants people get a lot of money for
38:18
grant program and
38:19
ian lipkin um said at the end of the
38:22
book that they went back and looked at
38:24
the stanford samples from the montoya
38:26
study
38:27
and they found it almost exactly what we
38:30
found
38:31
80 percent positive we would have
38:34
confirmed we
38:35
would have but he stopped it and then
38:38
just ruined my career through the
38:40
journal science and the editorials
38:42
in 2011 when it became clear
38:46
that the blood supply was contaminated
38:49
um fauci tony fauci literally we had
38:53
about
38:53
five million dollars in grants from the
38:56
dod
38:57
with me as principal investigator at our
39:00
institute
39:01
from the dod and from niaid
39:04
that's tony fauci's national institute
39:07
of allergy
39:08
and infectious disease so i was um
39:12
tony fauci directed um basically the
39:15
confiscation of
39:17
my entire career all of my notebooks um
39:20
two
39:21
offices um and and and all of
39:24
my notebooks and and computers and and
39:27
and
39:28
then um once that was done
39:31
um he he was directing
39:35
the so-called replication study that um
39:38
he directed
39:39
ian lipkin to do which when francis
39:41
collins in 2010
39:43
found the blood supply contaminated um
39:46
he asked me to francis colin asked me
39:49
where did you get the negative
39:51
controls in the uk and i said our
39:54
colleague
39:54
from the blood supply so four percent in
39:57
the blood supply is a big deal when it
39:59
never
40:00
when hiv was never more than a point one
40:03
or two
40:03
so this was a really big deal both in
40:06
europe and here
40:07
so um that's when dr collins told dr
40:11
fauci do a replication study a very
40:14
large replication study and fund it
40:16
from niaid well um tony fauci
40:21
directed ian lipkin to do this where
40:24
they
40:24
um they literally just didn't simply
40:27
didn't put
40:27
any of the patient groups anybody that
40:30
with chronic fatigue except
40:32
literally people they called who were
40:33
tired out of the phone book
40:35
no nobody with the inflammatory
40:37
signatures nobody with the things that
40:39
we said
40:40
pointed to the retrovirus is as a
40:42
causative agent for their disease
40:44
um the second so that didn't trouble us
40:47
all that much
40:48
because um we knew there was one
40:51
patient population from stanford that
40:53
was still
40:54
in the replication study and when
40:57
well when the study started um
41:01
tony fauci put an order out that said
41:04
if i flew into nih airspace
41:08
meaning i couldn't do the study in a
41:10
laboratory
41:11
i've been locked out of my laboratories
41:13
fired
41:15
and was literally here home in
41:17
california
41:18
and all of my grants taken away from me
41:21
um later on but basically i was arrested
41:25
as a fugitive from justice here in
41:27
ventura california
41:29
and held there for five days with no due
41:32
process
41:33
you know while you know basically a
41:36
story was made up and evidence
41:38
evidence planted in my house of those
41:40
notebooks well those notebooks with my
41:42
handwriting
41:43
is who are the people who's in the study
41:46
so we refused even
41:48
after all of that even after the arrest
41:50
when
41:51
um you know with without a job and
41:53
everything taken away
41:54
we still refuse to not proceed with the
41:58
replication study because we knew we
42:00
would be found to be right
42:02
so tony fauci just said i'd be arrested
42:04
if i stepped foot
42:06
on nih and you could in 2016
42:09
four years later i went to nih to fort
42:12
dietrich to
42:13
to pick up a paper from the library and
42:16
when i walked in the security office
42:18
they said i'm sorry judy we have to
42:19
detain you
42:21
you know it says you're a fugitive from
42:22
justice so
42:24
um you know this is you know and and
42:26
that study came out is no there's no
42:28
association
42:30
xmrv all a host the journal science
42:33
commission fraud they publish the paper
42:36
that
42:36
was an association study in september of
42:39
2011
42:41
to cover up that the blood supply was
42:43
contaminated
42:44
and essentially from that time um
42:47
you know they've done everything they
42:50
can um
42:51
to make certain that xmrv went away
42:54
you know the whole thing started then
42:56
was with tony
42:58
fauci getting science to um to
43:01
to withdraw that study not because it
43:03
was wrong
43:05
but because judy got arrested and why
43:08
did she get arrested because tony
43:10
ouch used his political clout and
43:13
to fool harry reid and to
43:17
um and to convince local police in
43:20
california nevada that she had committed
43:22
a crime by
43:22
stealing materials from
43:26
nih in fact legally i'm an attorney
43:30
those materials which were her notebooks
43:33
her hard drives and all of her logs
43:36
for that experiment legally belonged
43:40
to judy megavis they didn't belong to
43:42
nih under the
43:44
under the grant under the federal grant
43:47
she the researcher who is the principal
43:50
researcher in that grand process
43:53
has essential ownership of all the
43:55
materials that are created
43:58
oh his accusation you know for at first
44:00
he went to judy and he said look
44:02
this can all be settled don't worry you
44:04
got a great career here
44:06
you can stay here forever and you'll
44:08
have a brilliant career but you've got
44:09
to withdraw
44:10
that article did fauci himself say that
44:13
or were
44:14
intermediaries no it was actually the
44:16
intermediaries the funders and the
44:19
ian lipkin principally others that were
44:22
with regard to science and the studies
44:25
that he funded because
44:26
he never st he never came to us he's
44:29
just the funder it was seven million
44:31
dollars
44:32
um to my institute and he sent his
44:34
grants administrators
44:36
who basically said you know it'll
44:39
it'll be fine as long as you you know
44:43
you voluntarily retract the paper tell
44:45
me did science ask you
44:47
uh to retract your paper voluntarily
44:52
can you just describe that moment so in
44:54
in 2011
44:56
um when it was clear there was a real
44:58
problem with
45:00
so many disease associations and when it
45:02
was clear that the infectious molecular
45:05
clone
45:06
wasn't you know what was contaminated
45:08
that it was in fact these
45:09
these zoanos viruses from vaccines in a
45:13
contaminated blood supply
45:15
science the journal came to
45:18
dr rossetti and i and and asked us to
45:21
retract the paper
45:22
um dr rossetti and i argued with data
45:25
and quite cogently
45:27
that the only data that needed to be
45:29
removed from the paper
45:31
was bob silverman's figure one which
45:34
showed that the infectious clone was not
45:36
what the virus
45:38
um we isolated well now bob silverman
45:41
had the patent
45:42
on vp62 and the with the viruses
45:46
so you understand in diagnosis if if
45:49
that diagnostic test never found a
45:51
single positive
45:52
and our diagnostic test works then of
45:55
course we had the patent
45:56
um so um science the journal agreed
46:00
to um uh to only take that
46:04
out of the the paper and partially
46:06
retract it
46:07
as the rest of the authors everyone on
46:10
the paper agreed
46:11
when i gave the talk that they
46:13
threatened me if i did
46:14
if i didn't renounce xmrv and and turn
46:18
the
46:19
turn the data back on september 22nd
46:22
2011
46:24
if i didn't say there was no xmrv in the
46:26
blood supply
46:27
and that we had made a mistake um i
46:31
i i would be ruined and and and beyond
46:34
so they carried out that threat as i
46:35
gave the appropriate talk
46:37
and then they said we um manipulated a
46:41
figure in
46:42
the paper which wasn't true and they
46:44
later found wasn't true
46:45
so basically when i was arrested
46:48
science the journal said we've lost
46:50
confidence in the whole thing
46:52
and and they forced the retraction
46:55
against
46:56
the authors um four of the authors on
46:58
the paper there was an initial
47:00
retraction
47:01
and then the other authors also
47:03
retracted in some way or another
47:05
the journal in 2011 the journal science
47:07
says we note that the majority of the
47:09
authors agree in principle to retract
47:11
the report but they've been unable to
47:12
agree on the wording of their statement
47:14
it is science's opinion
47:15
that our attraction signed by all the
47:17
authors is unlikely to be forthcoming we
47:19
are therefore editorially retracting the
47:21
report
47:21
so is it true that your co-authors on
47:24
the paper
47:25
uh wanted to withdraw their support for
47:28
the paper and
47:29
i guess if you could talk about what the
47:30
partial retraction was at first
47:32
and then briefly what led to the other
47:35
authors
47:36
uh pulling out if that's in fact what
47:38
happened yeah that's what's most
47:39
important is the partial retraction
47:42
so in throughout the studies we did
47:46
um and the the reasons technically that
47:49
some of that
47:50
that the studies were negative was
47:53
because
47:53
the virus was originally identified in
47:56
prostate cancer
47:58
but only as sequences so what was key to
48:01
our 2009 paper
48:03
was it was the first ever isolated
48:06
um isolation of infectious and
48:09
transmissible virus
48:11
and showing that it could be secondarily
48:14
infected
48:14
into other humans and and showing the
48:17
spread of it through
48:18
families and communities that were
48:20
associated with the infected
48:22
what bob silverman and and joe darisi
48:25
did was a technique where they only
48:27
looked a pcr
48:28
technique where they only looked them uh
48:31
at a small
48:32
portion of the virus in the genomes of
48:35
men with aggressive prostate cancer so
48:38
they then
48:39
made an infectious molecular clone a
48:41
synthetic clone in the lab
48:44
in and this was in 2005 and six
48:47
well before i even started my studies
48:49
but i did do
48:50
uh prostate cancer drug development so i
48:53
was aware of this work
48:54
uh when i was at the nih working with
48:57
johns hopkins
48:58
so at any rate we um um
49:01
that clone that infectious molecular
49:04
clone
49:04
when we collaborated with him once we
49:07
isolated our the viruses from the people
49:10
we sent it to bob silverman's lab
49:13
to be uh sequenced and so it was bob
49:16
silverman's lab that on three different
49:20
occasions
49:21
failed to sequence the viruses we
49:24
isolated
49:25
as vp 62 or directly
49:29
related that infectious molecular clone
49:32
that strain
49:33
so what as the as the negative studies
49:36
came up
49:36
they would target their their assays
49:39
only to detect
49:41
that strain vp62 and that's all we were
49:44
as and so
49:45
um joy das gupta is the name name of the
49:48
scientist who did the sequencing
49:50
in bob silverman's lab at the cleveland
49:52
clinic um
49:54
and he by the fourth time um
49:57
he's told dr rossetti or he told us that
50:01
one more sample one more try and then
50:03
we'll give up it's not that virus
50:05
and lo and behold this time he found our
50:08
samples
50:09
were in fact the virus we isolated he
50:12
sequenced
50:13
as vp 62. it was closely closest related
50:17
to nvp 62 means virus from prostate
50:20
cancer from patient number 62.
50:23
but again they only had pieces we had
50:25
the whole virus
50:26
and as to as as the tests were tailored
50:29
um the negative studies towards that
50:31
virus
50:32
and this particularly the serology test
50:35
it was very clear
50:37
vp62 was never in humans
50:40
it never was the virus they had the
50:43
patent with
50:44
abbott labs and at the time so in fact
50:47
it was in their
50:48
interest to continue saying they had
50:50
discovered xmrv when in fact
50:53
we had discovered xmrvs there were many
50:56
strains
50:57
and so but by the time that was realized
51:00
in 2011
51:02
that was the partial retraction it was
51:04
very clear from
51:06
all of the science so we all everyone on
51:09
the paper
51:10
agreed that figure one was wrong the pcr
51:13
was wrong
51:14
that testing was wrong and in fact
51:17
we had actually discovered xmrvs and it
51:20
was a
51:20
family of multiple strains and it not
51:23
only came from mice
51:24
but there were monkey there were mink
51:26
cell focus forming so
51:28
other small animals that had these
51:30
families of gamma retroviruses they're
51:32
called
51:32
so the the partial retraction was
51:35
accepted
51:36
by the journal and and again this didn't
51:40
play well
51:40
because the blood supply was so heavily
51:43
contaminated
51:44
so we continued to refuse to
51:48
publish fraudulent studies and say our
51:50
studies were wrong so they forced the
51:52
retraction
51:53
after i was held in jail so they held me
51:56
in jail and the other authors
51:58
were lost confidence because of the
52:01
sheer
52:01
bizarre events of putting somebody in
52:05
jail
52:06
accusing her of being a fugitive from
52:08
justice with no charges behind it
52:10
oh the mysterious did the notebooks go
52:12
here there so it was that
52:14
circus where um science the journal uh
52:17
you know told dr rossetti um that they'd
52:20
lost confidence and they were gonna
52:21
force the retraction but at that
52:23
time um neither frank nor my two
52:27
students who had done all the work
52:28
um we still refused to retract it but
52:32
dr rossetti and the other co-authors of
52:34
course did not want to lose their
52:36
careers
52:37
who is ian lipkin and what was his role
52:40
in regards to your paper in science
52:42
did you in fact acknowledge at some
52:43
point as the journal science now
52:45
maintains
52:46
that his findings were correct and quote
52:47
that there was no evidence
52:49
that xmrv is a human pathogen did you
52:51
ever say that at any point
52:52
the the word i used was it and it goes
52:55
exactly to the story
52:57
so w ian lipkin is the
53:00
is the doctor who led the multi-center
53:03
study he was assigned when francis
53:06
collins
53:06
on september 6 ordered dr fauci to fund
53:10
a multi-center study
53:11
a large study to show the association
53:14
nobody ever denied the existence the
53:17
association with chronic fatigue
53:19
syndrome
53:20
um ian lipkin was made the senior
53:22
investigator
53:23
in charge of the study and so
53:26
um when and this is what i just said a
53:30
few minutes ago
53:31
um they during the meeting to set the
53:34
funding
53:34
and set the study design that was held
53:37
november 4th
53:38
2010 and the dates matter because
53:41
on november 4th 2010 a lot of the data
53:45
suggested there was something wrong with
53:47
vp62
53:49
but because the title of our paper said
53:53
xmrv in our in our science
53:56
paper and the only um sequence that was
53:59
reported in that paper was
54:01
the synthetic clone that we now know
54:04
wasn't the virus and never was the virus
54:07
that was the only thing that we can
54:10
could find
54:11
in the multi-center study but in fact
54:14
our our assays did find positive samples
54:18
and
54:18
and again this is where tony fauci
54:20
stopped the study
54:21
so the study design sets november 4th
54:25
2010 you cannot veer from that study
54:29
or it's considered fraud they veered in
54:32
several respects from that study
54:35
in that harold varmus then the director
54:37
of
54:38
nobel laureate harold varmus then the
54:40
director of the national cancer
54:42
institute
54:43
and my colleague dr recetti's boss so dr
54:46
recetti was also
54:47
on these publications had insisted
54:51
that the vp 262 infectious molecular
54:55
clone
54:56
be put into a number of the samples and
54:59
the investigators not told about that
55:02
so he limited our ability to do our
55:04
cultures um
55:06
because um the contamination would
55:08
spread and then they would say it was
55:10
contamination
55:11
when we found that positive so again
55:14
that's one study
55:15
part of it that's fraud the net the rest
55:17
of it is that
55:18
um again they had no legitimate groups
55:22
they didn't have chronic fatigue
55:23
syndrome with the inflammatory signaling
55:25
and the epigenetic
55:27
um the epigenetic problems which was our
55:29
basis
55:30
we had immunological proof just like we
55:33
see today the
55:34
cytokines signature of the disease of
55:36
the infection of scars cove too
55:38
so um the the patient populations
55:41
weren't correct
55:42
when we got to the end fauci stopped the
55:44
study they applied statistics
55:46
and and ian lipkin told me and dr
55:49
assetti
55:50
look we need to put this to bed
55:52
everybody knows it's not
55:54
vp 62. everybody knows there never was
55:58
any evidence of vp 62. that's the only
56:02
thing you can call
56:03
xmrv that was the title of your paper
56:06
that was bob silverman
56:08
those were the data that were partially
56:10
retracted in june of 2011. so this study
56:13
was
56:14
most of the winter and and and the
56:16
summer of 2012.
56:18
so it at the end of the day as we sat in
56:21
the press conference so
56:23
um and unblinded the study um we
56:26
unblinded the study in the middle of the
56:28
summer it was published it wasn't
56:29
published in science it was published in
56:31
a journal called
56:32
m bio and and that study was published
56:35
september
56:36
and october issue in 2012.
56:40
so it was it was he was a he applied the
56:43
statistics when
56:44
tony fauci stopped the study and he told
56:46
me and frank in
56:48
email and other places we all need to
56:50
put this in bed and john coffin
56:53
who wrote that a company article said
56:55
earlier that year there's
56:56
it's clear there are many strains of
56:58
gamma retroviruses
57:00
just not that one and so
57:03
because we've because we've gathered is
57:06
a part of this important study
57:08
um thousands of samples now of cfs
57:11
patients and we can really drill down
57:13
on the other viruses and re-isolate the
57:16
correct ones
57:17
you simply must say because that was the
57:20
study design
57:22
it's not there i didn't say they're not
57:24
there
57:25
and i was not aware of the sentence in
57:27
the abstract that said
57:28
there's no evidence anywhere because
57:30
table table three said clearly
57:33
six point one percent of of the viruses
57:36
in
57:36
in the patients and the controls so
57:38
that's it i made the quote because i was
57:41
told
57:42
he we only could look for vp 62 by
57:45
w ian lipkin and of course he committed
57:48
the rest of the fraud with applying the
57:50
statistics
57:51
you know we did a recent interview with
57:53
an independent journalist named sam
57:54
husseini
57:55
and in that interview he revealed that
57:57
ian lipkin your old friend
57:59
was one of the first of all he was one
58:01
of the consultants on the film contagion
58:04
i don't know if you know that and he's
58:05
also been very vocal in denying the
58:07
possibility
58:08
that sarsko v2 could have been released
58:10
from a lab accidentally or otherwise
58:13
can you just give us more of a sense of
58:16
who he is what interest would he have
58:18
in protecting the idea whether it's the
58:21
wuhan lab or
58:22
the lab you know fort dietrich or
58:24
wherever is there
58:26
what what interest might he have in
58:28
protecting the idea that this could have
58:29
been a kind of a gain of function
58:31
experiment gone wrong or or intentional
58:35
well because um you know ian lipkin um
58:38
in september in october of 2012
58:42
right after um he made certain that the
58:45
xmrvs were dead
58:47
and gone i think according to science
58:50
journal
58:51
he was awarded 34 million dollars by
58:54
to create by tony tony fauci to create
58:58
the center for
58:59
diagnostics and discovery and and since
59:02
that time he has used that money
59:05
in collaboration with uh the barrick lab
59:08
in north carolina with the chinese at
59:11
wuhan
59:12
um accelerating that work and and
59:15
um um you know uh causing
59:18
the the cell lines that these animal
59:22
tissues um that the virus the corona
59:25
viruses are grown in
59:27
happen to be the same cell lines the
59:30
vero
59:30
e6 the vero monkey kidney cells that
59:34
carried those
59:35
xmrvs into humans um
59:38
among several cell lines as we discussed
59:40
earlier
59:41
so um his his interest is in covering
59:45
up and and and burying literally
59:48
calling covid19 those those 50 million
59:52
americans he
59:53
knows those forget cfs association
59:57
those eight four to eight percent that
59:59
were
60:00
infected by contaminated blood supply
60:02
and vaccines
60:03
um that that um are are not necessarily
60:07
asymptomatic carriers but have these
60:09
diseases
60:10
they will die they will be buried if
60:12
coven nobody will do a test
60:14
and nobody will ever see that in fact
60:17
that that the
60:17
the path the carrier passengers
60:20
along in those in those
60:24
tsar's coronavirus discoveries in those
60:26
cultures and those
60:28
vets they grew the virus and changed the
60:30
virus
60:31
were those very viruses that we
60:33
discovered and associated
60:35
um with the the diseases the the
60:38
neuroimmune disease the cancer
60:40
those are the clinical symptoms we're
60:42
seeing right now that are being covered
60:44
19.
60:45
this is a cover-up they will bury them
60:47
and they can say
60:48
just as they cleaned up the blood supply
60:51
after 2011 because when i
60:53
identified the contaminated blood supply
60:56
i also
60:57
identified that there was a way to clean
60:59
it up so they didn't have to worry about
61:01
the blood supply and the people on those
61:03
papers were paid off
61:04
tens of millions of dollars to clean up
61:07
the blood supply you know
61:09
oh so quietly say yeah judy mykovitz is
61:11
crazy
61:12
it was never contaminated yeah the data
61:14
don't support that they it was
61:16
contaminated
61:17
and that's proof in our new book plague
61:19
of corruption with
61:20
um both of our books have thousands of
61:22
references even including
61:24
emails between tony fauci and ian lipkin
61:27
um
61:28
you know essentially um making those
61:31
quid pro quo
61:32
deals that i mentioned where i would
61:34
where we were we were told
61:36
everybody knows there are more gamma
61:38
retroviruses there judy
61:39
just put to bed vp 62. it never was that
61:44
as they twisted this fraud so i believe
61:46
this is a cover-up
61:48
of the xmrvs and and they're growing
61:50
them in the same animal tissue
61:52
cell lines and they have since the
61:54
beginning since 13 since 14
61:57
and he's funding those studies those
61:59
very pathways i
62:00
identified those paradigm shifting
62:02
pathways of epigenetics and dna
62:05
methylation
62:06
and how viruses are silenced and how
62:08
they're activated
62:09
exactly as we just discussed all of
62:12
these natural things that we do
62:14
prevent the activation and and he's
62:16
covering up the
62:18
the literally bearing again the patients
62:21
he's already injured
62:23
it's interesting to note that the
62:24
confirmatory study of our work
62:27
um our 2008 publication which similar to
62:30
the semi-wise situation
62:33
it was it was um greeted with great
62:35
fanfare
62:36
and then in science the journal even
62:38
published an editorial saying oh how
62:40
wonderful this is
62:41
one new virus how many old diseases and
62:44
this was
62:45
authored by john coffin who is in the
62:48
national academy of sciences uh so there
62:52
was great fanfare
62:53
and when the extent of the injuries i
62:56
mean with the extents of the diseases
62:58
the association
62:59
and showing that in fact the
63:01
contaminated blood supply was a
63:04
primary source um and principal
63:07
that the infection in the united states
63:10
was
63:10
25 to 40 times the height of
63:14
hiv during the aids epidemic and that
63:17
was only a million americans
63:19
and i say only a million americans in
63:22
1991.
63:23
so what harvey alter and colleagues and
63:26
and xi xing low
63:27
had done when our paper published was
63:30
they went
63:30
back to a box that they'd had in the
63:33
freezer since the early days of hiv
63:36
when when patients with women and
63:38
children and others who didn't fit the
63:40
the demographic the susceptibility group
63:43
of
63:44
aids hiv aids which was called gay
63:47
related immune deficiency and it was men
63:49
iv drug users prostitutes here were
63:53
um you know family women and and
63:55
children
63:56
and um xi xing low pulled the box out of
63:59
the freezer did the exact
64:01
testing that we had done and um and
64:04
his his boss there he was at the fda and
64:07
his boss was harvey alter
64:09
who has alaska award uh that's the
64:11
american equivalent of the nobel prize
64:14
and so um they found 86 percent
64:17
of the people with cfs they used to call
64:20
it non-hiv aids
64:22
because they didn't fit the patient
64:23
population and and clearly
64:26
there was no evidence of hiv so he had
64:29
announced and and published his study
64:31
in the journal of pnas the proceedings
64:34
of the
64:35
academy of sciences which is also the
64:37
national academy of sciences which is
64:40
also a premier journal in the world
64:42
so here within six months of our
64:44
publication
64:45
is a confirmatory study that's even
64:47
bigger and more importantly
64:49
he the control group in that situation
64:52
from samples from the early 90s
64:55
the control group was 7 infected and so
64:58
now we know that the blood supply has
65:00
been contaminated
65:02
since the 90s and and it hadn't been
65:04
cleaned up because it's only checked for
65:07
hiv
65:08
and so now there's another family of
65:10
viruses that spread around the world
65:12
unchecked for for 30 or 40 years
65:15
so harvey also was alter was also
65:18
encouraged
65:19
to withdraw his study they didn't force
65:23
its retraction and he did withdraw it
65:25
and the reason why he withdrew it
65:27
is because he had no more samples so he
65:30
had no more of that box
65:32
in order to replicate his work he had to
65:34
use the same samples
65:36
so uh so you see our work was confirmed
65:39
and around the world it was extended
65:41
and then when the evidence became so
65:44
great of the
65:45
a number of diseases that are associated
65:48
and the disease that probably
65:50
was the straw that broke the camel's
65:52
back for me as i gave a talk
65:54
uh at columbia to an expert on a disease
65:57
called
65:57
itp which is it idiopathic
66:01
thrombocytopenia it's a platelet
66:03
disorder bleeding disorder
66:04
and itp is long associated with
66:08
fatigue and and some of the things we
66:10
see in patients with chronic fatigue
66:12
syndrome
66:13
so in that study by the world's expert
66:16
in
66:16
in the in that group who pro who
66:18
provided us the samples we found more
66:20
than 30
66:22
of people with itp had in fact uh
66:25
had evidence of the mouse the xmrv
66:28
infections and what's important about
66:30
that is
66:32
itp is listed as a side effect on
66:35
mmr vaccine so we now have more
66:38
evidence for injury and the development
66:41
of cognitive and learning disorders
66:43
from itp and i gave that talk in new
66:45
york june 1st
66:47
of 2011 and it was other than the
66:50
september 22nd talk it was the last talk
66:53
of my professional career
66:55
how has this recent firestorm i mean
66:58
you've been through them before
66:59
but this is a this is a pretty big one
67:02
how how
67:03
has it affected you uh are you how are
67:06
you bearing up
67:07
under all this this is absolutely
67:09
nothing compared to false arrest
67:12
jailing losing everything being forced
67:15
into bankruptcy
67:16
under threat of going back to jail being
67:18
silenced
67:19
from 2011 to 15 doing
67:22
doing a replication study that mattered
67:25
to
67:26
25 million americans and doing it by
67:29
telephone
67:30
and then having fouchy stop the study
67:33
convince dr hanson convince doctor said
67:36
oh it has to be contamination voodoo oh
67:39
all the samples
67:40
all the centers were equally represented
67:43
that was pure hell
67:44
this is nothing they have no new you
67:47
know come on come up with something
67:49
prove you didn't falsely arrest me go to
67:52
the nih i went there november 15th of
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2016.
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it still says judy mykovitz is a
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fugitive from justice
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who put that on you know they're running
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scared because i can
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still prove everything except figure one
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in that paper is right and true to this
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day
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and i have every sample to prove it it's
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in the last chapter of the book they
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think they compensated everything but
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they forgot
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that mentor of 37 years had to have
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every copy of data that i've ever worked
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on
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and we do and we're exposing this plague
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of corruption
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and and this is the fun part except for
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we've got to stop
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the plague of corruption that is cobit
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19.
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you what would it require what would it
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take for you to
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to expand and continue the work that you
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were doing before
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well i mean i i've never we've never
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stopped working so i continue to make
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therapeutics i continue to work with
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patients i continue to look for adverse
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events we've had a small
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consulting company since 2015 since i
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was allowed to enter
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back into work we've served as expert
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witnesses in vaccine court for many
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years so we can start to see
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the injuries and who's susceptible and
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how to heal so we've
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developed those formulations with
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natural products including cannabis
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and and mixing them with therapeutics we
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can heal all this
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right now we could make a safe vaccine
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we can continue to make the safe immune
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therapies
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i made my entire life so i haven't
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stopped i don't need to be in a lab
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you know i have a brain